This article is part of an initiative with Understanding Government, a Washington D.C. based nonprofit, called “Government In My Backyard”(GIMBY).

Ever heard of “fracking”? It could bring cash-strapped New York State revenue in the billions of dollars. It could also contaminate groundwater and aquifers with carcinogens and other toxins, pollute millions of gallons of water, and require New York City to build a water filtration plant at a cost of $10 billion.

Hydraulic fracturing, or fracking, uses water and often-hazardous chemicals to push natural gas up out of ancient sediments such as shale deposits. Decisions about gas drilling in the Marcellus shale formation – an ancient sedimentary rock deposit stretching from New York State down to West Virginia – are high on the agenda of the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation in 2009.

Hydrofracking itself is not new to New York. What is new is the water-intensive form of hydraulic fracturing with horizontal wells and toxic chemicals that is proposed in the Marcellus shale region of the State. Thus, while the older wells might use 80,000 gallons of water, the gas drilling that is under review would require more than 1,000,000 gallons of water to be injected deep into the well. The “produced” water coming back out of the well would then need to be stored as it would be contaminated with the fracking fluid chemicals.

Despite the modern setting, the players in this drama are much same as they were when fossil fuels were first tapped in the Northeast more than a century ago. With as much as 500 trillion cubic feet of gas available in the Marcellus shale, fossil fuel companies are pressing New York and other states to allow drilling, while environmental groups and concerned citizens are lining up against large-scale gas extraction, and warning of its dangers. State and local politicians and government agencies are right in the middle of this growing struggle for New York State’s underground resources.

Gas Industry Flexes its Muscles – and “Stealth Politics” Creep into the Picture

As Understanding Government has reported previously, November 2008 saw the first permit request issued by New York State’s Delaware River Basin Commission (DRBC) to Oklahoma-based Chesapeake Energy Corporation to withdraw water in the maximum amount of 999,999 gallons a day from the Delaware River. All that water would be mixed with chemicals and pumped into natural gas wells in a process called hydraulic fracturing, or “fracking,” breaking up underground rock formations to help drive gas to the surface.

With revenues of $7.8 billion in 2007, Chesapeake Energy is one of the 100 largest fossil fuel companies in the world.  Its CEO, Aubrey McClendon, was paid nearly 19 million dollars in 2007.  Also receiving a share of Chesapeake’s revenues has been lobbyist Thomas S. West, a key player in the evolving Marcellus shale drama.  West notes on his corporate profile that he has succeeded in quickly moving major changes through the New York State legislature, including “a major overhaul to New York’s oil and gas law less than four weeks after the legislation was first introduced.”  According to West, this 2005 change took place even as the state was still developing regulations for the old law and dealing with lawsuits about what the old law allowed gas and oil companies to do.

More recently, West’s firm was retained by Chesapeake Appalachia, a subsidiary of Chesapeake Energy, to lobby for legislation to reduce the distance between natural gas and oil wells, known as a “setback” (setbacks also govern how close to other property well owners can drill.) While many states and cities have recently maintained or even increased setbacks for gas drilling, the New York State legislature in July 2008 approved a decrease in setbacks for oil and gas wells from 660 feet to 460 feet. Catskill Citizens for Safe Energy (CCSE), a non-profit organization focused on environmental protection and education, has described this new setback ruling as an example of “stealth politics” because, according to reports on their website, New Yorkers were told no action would be taken on the bill during the summer session. Instead, the bill allowing for more gas and oil drilling facilities to be built was “rushed through committees and passed by both the Assembly and the State Senate. The final vote took place late at night on the last day of the session.”

Environmentalists Accuse New York State of Favoring Big Oil and Gas

Catskill Citizens’ Bruce Ferguson said that the gas spacing bill entirely removed public hearings from the process: “The bill facilitated the kind of drilling [gas companies] want to do in the Marcellus shale by allowing them to do these horizontal wells without having to seek variances. It did away with public hearings.” He added that “under the old law, they would have had to get variances for each of these horizontal wells, and each of those variances would have called for a public hearing. Now they don’t have to talk to the public at all.”

According to Ferguson, six directors from the DEC were present in the room in Albany when he and others went to lobby regarding the bill. “Brad Field was there, Jack Dahl was there, Kathy Sanford was there… They were behind this bill” reducing the space between oil and gas wells. Ferguson believes the reason the bill passed was because the DEC was pushing to pass it. “The DEC, unfortunately, has acted as a shill for the gas industry,” says the environmental activist.

The first public comment period on the hydrofracking process – part of the Supplemental Generic Environmental Impact Statement, or dSGEIS – ended December 15.  Representatives from all sides of the spectrum submitted comments. DEC spokesman Yancey Roy notes, for example, that New York City is starting to voice concerns about its aquifer. “On the one hand we’re getting letters from New York City officials” including city comptroller William Thompson, Jr., “that . . . relate to the question of not having drilling or a moratorium on drilling,” says Roy. But he mentions Upstate politicians with a different point of view: the Delaware County Board of Supervisors have passed a resolution against an all-out moratorium on drilling, and “leaders out in Elmira and Corning have had news conferences saying essentially, don’t delay any regulatory review of drilling.”  The Oil and Gas Association of New York (an industry group of which the energy company Chesapeake is a member) commented on the Environmental Impact Statement, as did public interest groups including Catskill Citizens for Safe Energy, Catskill Mountainkeeper, the Natural Resources Defense Council, Riverkeeper, the Sierra Club, and others.

Congressman, State Legislator Weigh in

At least one person in Washington, D.C. is keeping an eye on what’s happening in New York State. In his comments on the DEC’s environmental impact statement, Congressman Maurice Hinchey (D- 22nd District) cautions that “more than one thousand incidents of contamination from hydraulic fracturing have been reported to courts and state and local governments in a number of states including Colorado, New Mexico, Alabama, Ohio, and Pennsylvania.” Hinchey cites contamination of groundwater in Wyoming after hydrofracking in which the U.S. Bureau of Land Management measured benzene levels at “1500 times the ‘safe’ level for humans.” He suggests an alternative: “non-toxic fracturing fluids, such as those used in offshore locations and other environmentally sensitive locations.”

Rep. Hinchey also flags the DEC’s scant staffing, saying that the DEC should increase drilling fees to fund the extra staff needed to oversee thousands of potential new permit applications.  He also calls for the DEC to analyze, develop and require “best management practices” used in other fracking locations nationwide.

Hinchey draws attention in his comments to the case of the whistleblower Weston Wilson, an environmental scientist working with the EPA in Colorado, who in 2004 criticized the EPA’s conclusions about hydraulic fracturing as “scientifically unsound” and noted that it was “peer reviewed by individuals with direct conflicts of interest. Three of these individuals worked for the gas and oil industry while two others were former employees of the industry.”

It was this 2004 report that led lawmakers to rule that the EPA did not need to monitor hydraulic fracturing in the framework of the Safe Drinking Water Act, leaving states to handle all regulation and monitoring on their own. Congressman Hinchey has vowed to repeal the exemption through the passage of a bill currently before Congress.

EPA is not completely out of the picture. It has issued comments on the environmental impact statement, including a recommendation that the DEC “consider the need for a statewide prohibition against the future siting of critical gas well infrastructure – drilling rigs, mechanical equipment, chemical storage facilities, tanks and ponds – within the 100-year flood plain.” EPA notes that gas drilling contaminants and waste products – “such as drilling spoils, hydraulic fracturing chemicals and wastes, brine, oil and grease… [could] adversely impact water quality in rivers and downstream reservoirs.” This includes New York City’s watershed, for which the EPA writes it will be “seeking some special oversight . . . through cooperative agreements among regulatory agencies with authorities in the watershed.”

New York State Assemblyman Felix Ortiz, a Democrat from Brooklyn, has introduced a bill that would ban the use of toxic chemicals in hydrofracking fluid. The bill notes that fracking solutions “currently used by energy companies typically contain diesel and toxic substances such as benzene, ethyl benzene, toluene, and xylene.” Ortiz’s draft further notes that “[t]hese substances are carcinogenic and can cause mutation in both human and animal life, leading to health complications which can prove to be hereditary.”

Since, as Ortiz’s bill notes, the potential hazard from these chemicals is all the greater “when oil or gas extraction is taking place near a waterway,” he calls for use of “non-toxic, organic compounds” in the fracking fluids, “thereby alleviating a serious risk to public health.” The bill has thus far languished in committee.

Asked about the possibility of using non-toxic fracking fluids, Chesapeake energy lobbyist Thomas West downplayed the toxic nature of the standard fluids used. Indicating that he was speaking for himself alone, West said, “the problem with legislation like that is, there are many things that are carcinogens if put in concentrated form. But the types of materials they use in the fracking process are very diluted materials. It’s 99.5% water.”  West acknowledged that his firm had represented “some of the fracking companies.”

NY State DEC:  EPA Exemption? Not a Problem

How does New York State feel about the EPA exemption? According to DEC spokesman Yancey Roy, the state’s laws “essentially cover that exemption . . . we would be able to enforce all the necessary clean water regulations.” He added, “we think that our state laws essentially fill in where that gap of the exemption would be.”

But with its 19 gas and oil experts on staff, the NYS DEC will be hard pressed to cover new drilling as well as all other gas and oil projects in a state of 19 million people and 47,224 square miles. Citizens at a December 4, 2008 hearing at Sullivan County Community College repeatedly noted the DEC’s meager resources, saying “DEC is insufficiently staffed,” and “[t]he DEC doesn’t have enough staff.”

Roy later amended his description of the 19 staff members, by stating that there were other DEC workers who would assist, such as the “spills” staff who attend to 18,000 spills of various chemicals or other hazardous materials a year. Roy could not confirm the number of spills-related staff members. But the fact that specialists on spills might be commandeered should give further pause to people concerned about their water supply.

Some Neighborly Advice: Don’t Drink the Water

People concerned about hydrofracking in New York State can learn from the experience of Pennsylvanians like Beth and Stephen Hilyer of McKean County, PA. The Hilyers were disturbed one morning this past July to find that their pristine spring had been contaminated by a vertical well drilled by Seneca Resources a mere 800 feet away. “We complained,” said Beth, “and went to the [Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection], and they told us, ‘Don’t drink the water.’”

The Hilyers had done a chemical analysis of their spring water prior to the drilling. A post-drilling analysis gives a striking portrait of the contamination. Barium is a heavy metal that is regulated by the EPA, which can cause “gastrointestinal disturbances and muscle weakness.” Long-term exposure can cause high blood pressure. The Hilyers’ water post-contamination had a barium level of 3.30 milligrams per liter, 127 times higher than the allowed limit, and well over the EPA’s maximum contaminant level of 2.00 mg/L. The level of manganese in the water was also three times higher , while the total dissolved solids increased 118 times.

Seneca Resources , a subsidiary of National Fuel Gas Company of Williamsville, NY,  provided the Hilyers with bottled water for drinking and an external tank for household water.

Beth Hilyer says her husband warned the drilling company that their proposed well was too close to their spring. She hopes for improvements with Pennsylvania’s DEP. “I wish they had more inspectors… the DEP is stressed with too many new wells. And especially McKean County — it’s all rural and they don’t think that anybody would care.”

“That could have killed us, you know? It was horrible,” says Hilyer. “I don’t want anything like this to happen to someone else.”

Economic Impact: the Numbers Game, or Gaming the Numbers . . . .

One of the most potent arguments for expanded gas shale development is the economic one. In a time of scarce revenues, NY Governor David Patterson and the state legislature are looking for extra ways to fund the budget. Lobbyist Thomas West points to Pennsylvania’s revenues as a sign of what New York could earn, saying that “the way early returns are coming in from below the border, this will be worth a lot of money to Upstate New York.”

But pinning down exactly how much revenue New York’s portion of the Marcellus shale can deliver to the state through leases, licenses, and taxes is no easy task.  One thing is clear:  once a few big, round numbers get into the mix, they can have significant staying power. Deborah Fasser, a vice president at Corning Place Consulting, which is running a public educational campaign about shale gas drilling for the Independent Oil and Gas Association of New York, says the economic impact of a 300-gas-well scenario to New York State could be $1.4 billion annually.

An even bigger number making the rounds is $2.2 trillion. That number, from a report by the New York State Commission on State Asset Maximization (SAM) estimates that “the Marcellus Shale’s recoverable reserves are 363 trillion cubic feet of natural gas, which equates to a value of approximately $2.2 trillion at $6 per thousand cubic feet (MCF) in today’s dollars.” The report credits an article from The River Reporter, a Sullivan County regional newspaper, for this figure. But that article indicates that the 363 trillion cubic feet estimate was “based on numbers from Chesapeake Energy Corp., one of the largest stakeholders in the Marcellus area,” and no source is provided for the dollar amount.  So New York State is citing a newspaper, which is citing numbers from a gas exploration company, which did not confirm to Understanding Government how it determined this number originally.  What’s the bottom line?  The report concludes that “New York’s portion of the total could reach $210 – $315 billion, assuming that 10 to 15 percent of the reserves are located in New York.”

New Yorkers are left with an unclear picture of potential revenues. But the state’s blue ribbon panel does go on to describe a “good news” version of the impact of gas drilling. No environmental hazards are considered, property owners stand to benefit from lease agreements, and gas drilling even promises to “stimulate education, housing, food, travel, and entertainment sectors as well.” The report mentions not one single potential negative impact of gas drilling.

Do You Really Want 10 Million Thirsty People in New York City?

In calculating the potential costs of hydrofracturing, it’s impossible to ignore the potential costs to water drinkers (that would be everyone) in New York City, which presently gets its award-winning tap water from the Catskill region that could be affected by new gas drilling.  For now, New York City has a “Filtration Avoidance Determination” from the EPA for 10 years (granted in 2007). Following testing of New York City’s drinking water, the EPA exempted the city from having to build a water filtration plant.  But according to NYC comptroller William Thompson, Jr., without the EPA ruling, the City would have to build a filtration plant at a cost of between $6 billion and $10 billion.

Financing the construction of a $10 billion filtration plant, Thompson notes, “would add $730 million per year in debt service expense,” which in turn would require New York to increase water and sewer system budgets and rates by 30%, as well as paying for operating the filtration plant.

More Hidden Costs of Industrial Gas Production

In the absence of firm revenue projections, it’s difficult to say whether the economic benefits to the state would outweigh the loss of New York City’s clean, unfiltered drinking water supply.

But there are other potential costs as well. The Catskills are a prime tourist destination, and an increasingly popular area for second homes. People come to hunt in the woods and fish in pristine streams; there are organic farms and specialized agriculture. Catskill Citizens for Safe Energy notes in comments to the DEC that “if the pristine beauty, abundant wildlife and water and air quality are negatively impacted, high spending city folk will stop coming to the region.” CCSE has urged the state to balance short-term revenues “against the long-term loss of spending by visitors and second home owners.”

CCSE also warns that the gas industry may be shaping reports about the economic impact of drilling. “In some cases,” they write to the DEC, “the authors of the reports are employed by organizations that are funded by corporations or government entities that may have special interests.” The environmental organization recommends that an independent consultant do economic analysis and calls for “concerned citizens” to have “input equal to that of the interested corporations and government entities.”

Another question is whether land owners – many of whom are private citizens leasing land they own to companies like Chesapeake Energy – will get their money. Catskill Citizens for Safe Energy notes that Chesapeake Energy had to be forced to pay an award of $404 million to 8,000 landowners in West Virginia after “improperly withholding royalties on gas extraction.” The land owners had to fight Chesapeake all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court. CCSE has urged the DEC to consider the potential costs of litigation in its economic analysis of gas drilling.

Numbers like $315 billion, $1.4 billion per year, or $2.2 trillion in reserves make the Marcellus shale seem more like a gold mine. These numbers will bring out advocates for energy companies eager to tap the revenue stream, and cash-strapped states like New York might prove vulnerable to such wooing. However, what is the cost of a ruined aquifer? More important, what is the cost of safe drinking water? As of yet, no lobbyist, geoscientist, or New York State government employee charged with protecting the environment has been able to put a number on that.

The frustration level was high among some members of the Newburgh Arts and Culture Commission at their meeting Wednesday, December 10th. Garin Baker proposed giving the city an ultimatum to expedite the funding of the public art fund:

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We need to have a time, a deadline. 30 days to the City of Newburgh and the City Council, if they do not fund $100,000 for the courthouse, which they’ve known about for at least nine months now, then personally, I feel we should suspend all activities of this commission because basically, what’s the point. We’ve been playing this dog and pony show with them for a while…

I’ll make another motion, that we give the city 30 days, 30 days to set up the account, to transfer $100,000 from the courthouse construction budget into the public art fund, and we establish the public art fund, no questions. That’s it… And if that doesn’t happen, we suspend…

Baker’s motion failed to pass. Some commission members expressed concern that it seemed “fatalistic.” Following Baker’s motion’s failure, though, Torrance Harvey proposed a modified ultimatum:

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I’d like to a motion to communicate to the city council that if the funding is not set up for the percent for art within 30 days that we will explore the possibilities of 1. communicating with the public and having a public discussion, the media, and also explore the prospect of suspending our activities.

Harvey’s motion passed almost unanimously, with only one dissenting vote.

However, in a follow-up email, NACC chair Stuart Sachs wrote that “It appears that the City is going to transfer funds immediately. I am holding off on the letter, and expect to write a thank you note instead when I get confirmation on Monday.” Sachs also mentioned that the letter would have been to City Manager JeanAnn McGrane, not the council, although the council was mentioned in both versions of the motion.

Who’s on the jury?

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Also at the meeting, Martha Zola mentioned the names of some of the jurors for the future courthouse art project: Andrew Warren, Tommy Burke, Garin Baker, Nezka Pfeifer, and Courtney Kain have all agreed to participate.

Full video of the NACC meeting:

Martha Zola (photo provided.)

On the afternoon of December 4th, I conducted the following interview with Martha Zola, who is serving as interim Director of Cultural and Economic Development for the City of Newburgh.  She replaces Kendal Henry, who recently vacated the position.  On Friday, December 5th, the Times-Herald Record ran an article about this position, “Is the arts czar position for real in Newburgh?” which clarifies that the position still exists – for the meantime.

Jane Johnston: The first question is, I read the article in the Record that the Cultural and Economic Development Director position had been voted down,

Martha Zola: Yup.

JJ: and I’m just wondering, I wasn’t sure that that happened, having attended the meetings.  And I just was wondering if you had any update about that.

MZ: Well, now that I’m not a commissioner, <laughter> I know there’s some discussion going on, and it’s really important for me not be in the middle of that.

JJ: Okay.

MZ: So I really… I’m going to stay focused on my agenda, which is to do as much for the arts community for as long as I can.

JJ: Right.

MZ: And I really need to leave this to other people to deal with.

JJ: Okay.  So you don’t happen to know if this position is still existing?  Or, has it been voted down?

MZ: What I need to do, is say you need to get that from Jean-Ann [McGrane].  It’s just not comfortable for me to get in the middle of that.

JJ: Okay.  Okay.

MZ: I’m just going to do what I can <laughter>.  That’s what I’m here for, and that’s what I stepped in for…

JJ: Right.

MZ: In my mind, I have stepped in in some interim way, and for whatever interim time I have, whether it’s long or short.  And in any case, even if it is in, there will be a regular full search, and I don’t know if I’m participating in that or not.  You know, I have a life!

JJ: Right.

MZ: But I was able, because of my knowledge of stuff, to step in and keep this thing going because it’s a huge amount of work.  I mean, I go in there, and I’m, believe me, I’m working more than part-time <laughter>.

JJ: Wow.

MZ: There’s just a lot to get done, and they know I’m committed to helping to get it done, so there I am.

JJ: Yeah.  Yeah.

MZ: So that’s probably as much as I want to get involved in that issue.

JJ: Okay, sure, sure.

MZ: There’s too many passions there and “yuk”! <laughter> <laughter> I believe in being happy.  Very strongly.

JJ: Good!

MZ: And I hope everybody gets to figure out by the time they get to be my age that that’s really all that matters.

<laughter>

MZ: My answer is, I’m just going to give it my best shot, for as long as I can.

JJ: Okay… And in your view, what is most important about the position?

MZ: Well, it’s a linchpin to all that Percent for Arts stuff for one thing, and that is a huge asset to the city.  I mean, that’s a huge incremental introduction of funds and – what’s the word – it’s a huge economic driver, and anybody who looks into Percent for Art programs where they exist across the country, and all the data on those programs, it is plain as a nose on your face that it absolutely is an economic driver.  It attracts tourists, it attracts business…

It attracts the kinds of tourists who spend money in the town on, you name it, food, art supplies…

whatever it is you’re trying to sell.  Framing, theater, opera… And the more density we have the better, and Newburgh could definitely use that kind of bump-up in the aesthetic environment.  So here we have this money that is dedicated to doing only that, you can’t use it for police, you can’t use it for anything else.  That’s the nature of the law.  And so here is this dedicated money that’s supposed to help drive our economy and do good for everybody who’s trying to earn a living here.
So if this position is not there, there’s nobody to do the work, and there’s a huge amount of work, I can tell  you that right now, because I’ve been doing it for a couple of days.  It’s just – there’s a set of processes that you have to go through that’s a mile long.  So I’ve been working, for instance, on getting the jury together, notifying the artists, we have to open the submissions – there’s 36 of them sitting in the office that have to be opened with the comptroller and the commissioners.  It’s just – the list is like a mile long of things that have to get done.  So somebody has to do it.

JJ: Yeah.

MZ: Commissioners are volunteers.  They have day jobs, mortgages, children… They could not handle that level of – it’s just leg work.

JJ: Yeah.

MZ: It’s just a pile of legwork.  So that is why the position kind of goes with having that asset for the city.  It’s worth hundreds of thousands of dollars not just this year, but ongoing.  Every year!

JJ: Oh, with the Percent for Arts?

MZ: Yeah.  And so, and that’s not the only thing.  So when the commission comes up with other stuff, like this Impressed Ink that they were doing and other programs that they put together, somebody needs to be there to do the legwork.  Somebody needs to get the publicity out, and write the forms, and write the grants.  We’ve got some grants in, we want to get a lot more grants.  We want to partner with all kinds of arts entities in the city, and continue.  We already got some grants, but…. Somebody has to be in that place to write them.

JJ: Yeah.

MZ: And do the networking and the legwork and the phoning, you know, all the stuff that goes with that.

JJ: Right.

MZ: So that person is really the chief grunt.

JJ: Right.

MZ: And if the grunt isn’t there, it can’t happen.

JJ: Yeah, yeah.

MZ: So the folks at the commission can dream the stuff up, you know… Like this Percent for Art program.  You have no idea of the hours of work that went into that.  Research, interviews, writing.  Drafting, re-drafting, reviewing with lawyers.

JJ: Yeah.

MZ: This is not an event, it’s not a show, you know, where you attract a crowd and there’s a lot of publicity because there’s theater.

JJ: Yeah, yeah.

MZ: This is just hours of back room work.  And then, to actually get the thing passed…

JJ: Yeah.

MZ: So it was passed by other councils, and they did all this work with those councils.  Getting the data to them, the information… It was just a lot of work.  And it’s not showy work.  So then somebody says, “oh, the commission’s not doing anything,” they don’t see that work.

JJ: Yeah.

MZ: It’s not like theater.  It’s not like a festival.  But it’s a huge amount of work.  And it’s a lot of very intelligent work, because you have to be able to write, you have to be able to do internet – these guys were up doing internet research till 1 o’clock in the morning!

JJ: Oh, wow.

MZ: Because they were… researching the Percent for Art programs all across the country…

JJ: Yeah.

MZ: To see how they got them in place, and how they were written up.  And there are Percent for Art programs… Well, there are whole lots of documents on the internet… there are cities… I think Seattle’s document is like 65 pages long.

JJ: Oh, wow.

MZ: So they get very elaborate.  We did what we could.

JJ: Yeah.

MZ: And anytime you do something like that, whether its acquisitions or Percent for Art, if it’s a public program, you have to write up procedures.

JJ: Yeah.

MZ: There has to be an open call.  There has to be jurying.  It’s not like a person going and asking for funds for an event.

JJ: Yeah.

MZ: You have to have an open call, you have to say it.  You can’t have somebody go and say, “give me $5,000 to do this event.”

JJ: Yeah.

MZ: You have to have – “We’ve got $5,000.  Please submit your ideas for how to spend it.”

JJ: Right.

MZ: – who has ideas.  So then you spend a lot of time writing procedures, developing jurying processes, all this kind of back room stuff.  It’s not very showy.  But it is a lot of work.

JJ: Yeah.

MZ: So a lot of work the commission does, doesn’t have that kind of visibility.

JJ: I’m just curious about some of the projects coming out of that.  I know there’s the courthouse…

MZ: The courthouse is the first one.

JJ: Yeah.

MZ: So we’re working our way through.  You know every time you do something for the first time, you have a learning curve.  So we’re walking through the steps of getting that done.  And as I’ve said, we’ve had 36 submissions.

JJ: Okay.

MZ: And next week we will be sitting down with the comptroller, you see you have to do a process where we all sit in a room with some commissioners, the comptroller’s office, and me, and we open them.

JJ: Ah.

MZ: And we inspect each one to make sure it complies with the RFP (request for proposals).   In other words, there are a certain set of pieces that we requested, and we have to go through all 36, and we accept all the ones that have all the pieces in them.  And any one that’s missing pieces, we have to send it back.  Doesn’t that sound like fun?

JJ: Yeah. <laughter>

MZ: And that’s before you even get to the jurying.  So, you know, every time you do a public process like that, that’s what you have to do.

JJ: Right.

MZ: But I think your question is, are there more?

JJ: Yeah.

MZ: Just this year.  There are six or seven more development projects that are eligible for the Percent for Art program.

JJ: Okay.  Are those public projects or are they private projects?

MZ: You know, I’m trying to see, I only had one quick look at the list and we have a meeting next week to actually really look at them.

JJ: Okay.  At the arts commission meeting?

MZ: No no, not at the arts commission meeting.  That has to be done by City Hall.

JJ: Okay.

MZ: City Hall develops the list, and they execute the list.

JJ: Okay.

MZ: And all they do is inform the commission that you have X number of projects, this is the budget on those projects, here’s the budget for the onsite.  You know, whatever, this is the one per cent of the budget.  Here’s how much is going to the on-site art, which is what we’re working on at the courthouse.

JJ: Okay.

MZ: And then the commission has to develop a budget for that 30%.

JJ: Okay.  What kinds of projects would be eligible for that?  Is it – can you give an example?

MZ: The only constraints on that is that they be arts related projects.

JJ: Okay.

MZ: And as I understand – and this is a general statement, because I have to really have to go and inspect the details, I’m so focused on the 70% in the courthouse, that I haven’t begun really examining how the 30% is processed.  But I’m sure, you can bank on, that that has to be an open competition.

JJ: Okay.

MZ: Something has to go out that tells people that we’re evaluating projects…  I doubt that this goes out, “we’ll take any kind of project at all,” they may say “we’re looking for this category of project.”

JJ: Okay.

MZ: And anyone who would like to apply for that category of project… And it can be anything from – as I’ve seen the literature on One Percent programs and the 30% it can be anything in the arts, from performance to technology to visual arts to… you know, the definition is very broad, the definition is arts.

JJ: Okay.

MZ: And I think, I was going to say I think it needs to be something that is permanent in the environment, but I know that’s not right because I think I’ve seen moneys used for like dance performances.  So the answer there is, I don’t know.

JJ: Okay.  Would the Impressed Ink, was that funded by…

MZ: No.  That was done entirely on our budget.

JJ: Okay.

MZ: When I say “our” I mean, when I used to be a commissioner.

JJ: Yeah.

MZ: They did that entirely on, every year the commission puts up a budget with the city, it’s a very modest budget.  But the guys basically paid for it out of that budget.

JJ: Okay.

MZ: And given that all the work was volunteer work, and given that all the authors, except one, because he gave a lecture – came down on a volunteer basis, the costs were very low.

JJ: Okay.
MZ: And that’s part of what they were dealing with in putting this together.

And it’s because they have good contacts.  I mean, the commissioners as a group… we have a lot of academics in there this year, and a lot of the had contacts with these authors.  But some of them, they just called cold.

JJ: Yeah.

MZ: And since these guys and gals are into selling books, I think they regularly go on some of these things, to get out there and  market there stuff.

JJ: Yeah.

MZ: But that’s the answer.  That was a very modest expenditure, and it came out of the budget.

JJ: Does the commission do anything in terms of promoting arts in the schools, or engaging the youth of the community?

MZ: That’s, it’s on the roster, and in fact, there was a whole children’s book section in the Impressed Ink, for example.  That was nothing but children’s books, and it was very well attended, it was child book authors.  And I gather they had a very good time, there were like 40 kids there.

JJ: Okay.

MZ: And I’m sure that they… We have some of the commissioners, I certainly think of Clay Buchanan as a past commissioner was very interested in the children’s programs.  So it kind of goes with, what’s this group of commissioners interested in working on…

JJ: Right.

MZ: And what direction they want to go.  You know, we had Kevin White on the commission at one point, and he works with kids all the time.  He’s been very supportive, he continues to be supportive on a lot of stuff, he’s just a great guy.  So the answer is, yes there is an interest, on the other hand, with the amount of resource that’s available, it’s not like they can go and launch big programs in the schools.

JJ: Is it something that – I was just thinking of when you were talking about the 30% – is that something that could support community projects?

MZ: In the arts?

JJ: Yeah.

MZ: Yeah!  I mean, that’s my first, I would think that’s natural.

JJ: Yeah.

MZ: That’s the whole point, <laughter>, is community, it is in Newburgh, it’s community, you know.  So it is community projects.

JJ: Okay.  Another question was, I don’t know if the commission does anything to develop or encourage additional art venues?

MZ: Sure… Certainly I have every intention, and that is the topmost thing on my agenda, to get out and embrace the entire arts community.  And promote the entire arts community.  Every little store, and every big institution.

JJ: Right.

MZ: And that’s what I will be working on.  And I will be getting that message out as fast as I can.

JJ: Right.

MZ: And I hope to be very proactive about that in whatever time that I have. And they’ll all be hearing from me.

JJ: Okay.

MZ: I’ve already had a request from the Orange County Arts Council, to take Susan Linn around, and take her to a nice array, so she gets familiar with all that we’re doing in Newburgh.  And I intend to work on setting that up within the next week.   We got so backloaded on the courthouse stuff, but I’m just about to take a breath on that.  So that’s, for instance, something I will be setting up and a lot of people are going to hear from me.

JJ: Okay.

MZ: You know, whatever I can squeeze into a day.  From the arts store to the Dutch Reformed Church.  So that’s definitely the agenda, to embrace and involve and promote, and to try to… we can’t keep feeding from inside.

And the best way to do that is to convince them that we have a density of institutions and places to go, and see, and do.

JJ: Yeah.

MZ: So I want to create and develop that sense of density, of attractions.

JJ: Yeah, yeah.

MZ: That’s what the data say! Those are the guys who spend money.  So we want to haul them in.

JJ: Okay.

MZ: I hope I can convince everyone of that!

JJ: Yeah.

MZ: Because the more I can get everyone else working on that agenda along with me, the more effective we’re going to be as a unit.  As a community.

JJ: Yeah, yeah.

MZ: It’s like, what do you want to do? Let’s do it!

JJ: <Laughter> okay.  Do you have any projects planned in terms of the Quadricentennial?  I don’t know if there’s any planning with them?

MZ: Again, it wasn’t done up until now,

JJ: Yeah.

MZ: As I look at my particular focus, I feel like, now this is the first blush, I feel like the historic thing is getting a tremendous amount of attention, by a large group of very capable people.

JJ: Yeah, yeah.

MZ: There’s no question in my mind that my focus is going to be on the arts.

JJ: Okay.

MZ: I encourage and applaud all those hard working people on the historical side, but I feel that the arts side is the part that needs an infusion of attention.

JJ: Okay.

MZ: That’s where I’m going to be putting my energy, no question about it.  I applaud all the history people.  And another part of that is, it’s the arts people who spend money more.

JJ: Yeah, yeah.

MZ: It is!

JJ: Yeah.

MZ: People will come for historic events, they’ll come with their families, and there’ll be a lot of them,

JJ: Yeah.

MZ: And they’ll spend some money, but if you want people who really go for good meals and arts things, you want to get the arts crowds in here.

JJ: Yeah.

MZ: So it’s not either/or.  I’m very thrilled with what those folks are doing.

JJ: Okay.

MZ: I want to bring people in because of the arts.

JJ: Okay

MZ: Itself. For the arts! <Laughter>

JJ: Okay.  Has there been… I’m just thinking about the artists already in the community of Newburgh.

MZ: Right.

JJ: Has there been like a survey or… How do we know, is there any way we can measure or get feedback that they’re being served?  How do they fit into the arts commission, or the arts as a whole?

MZ: Well let me say two or three things about that.  When I first got here, which was like, a little over three years ago, when I started working with the arts commission, you have to know my whole background is strategic planning that is data-based.  And so I’m a measurements expert.

JJ: Oh, great!

MZ: And I’m a statistician and I did every kind of survey and research work for hospitals and higher education that you can imagine.

JJ: Oh, wow.

MZ: So it was one of my first questions.

JJ: Yeah.

MZ: So, several things come out of that.  First of all, I found out, I was very well-informed that before I ever got here, there was a big community thing here that included a survey, so they have all kinds of information about what artists would like and what they’re looking for.  And that was not done in a scientific way, but it was done in a pretty thorough way.

JJ: Yeah.

MZ: So it’s not like we’re going to uncover a whole lot of brand new information.  And the second part of that is, I’m sure that whatever we do, we’re going to continue to find vehicles – I certainly am – for feedback.  But launching a scientific survey is a very expensive proposition.  If you want to be able to talk about the representativeness of the sample, for instance.

JJ: Yeah, yeah.

MZ: The whole issue of sampling comes up, and the whole mechanism for data collection becomes very complicated.  It’s not simple.  E.g., nobody can do it online.

JJ: Yeah.

MZ: I mean, that always sounds like it’s very simple.  It’s not…

JJ: Yeah.

MZ: So the issue of doing a big scientific survey, that’s probably not helpful.  The idea of wanting to get feedback from artists is a good one, and we should be…

Because if you’re not getting constant feedback, you don’t know if your doing what needs to be done.

JJ: Right.

MZ: It’s that simple.

JJ: Right.

MZ: So I would definitely look to do that.  At one point I had started a survey process and I developed a form, and the form picked up a lot of issues and things that we were going to measure and get out there.  When people looked at the actual labor involved in that -

JJ: Yeah.

MZ: – it kind of faded <laughter>.

JJ: Oh.

MZ: That’s a very labor intensive thing to do.  And it’s hard work.  And it’s not the kind of work that artists do.

JJ: Yeah.

MZ: So they’re not happy or comfortable doing it.

JJ: Yeah… okay.

MZ: So that’s not going to be my… Doing a formal survey is not going to be at the top of my list, but getting feedback loops is going to be.

JJ: Okay.

MZ: So I might find venues and people who could serve as a place to collect some of that information, and provide some of that information.  So it’s a good question and a good thing to be creative about.

JJ: Yeah.  Okay.  I remember some time ago, I don’t know what’s happened to this, there was going to be a show, and I believe the theme was global warming?

MZ: Yes.

JJ: I just wondered what happened to that.

MZ: Ultimately, the resources weren’t there.

JJ: That won’t be rescheduled, or there’s not a…

MZ: I wish it could be, and I hope it will be, but we’ll see!  It might depend on how long I get to do what I’m doing <laughter>.

JJ: Okay.  I’m just wondering about the art park project? Or the pocket art project?

MZ: Yes, in progress.  It is a work in progress, and it’s definitely going to happen.  The commission will have partners that are interested in working on that.  And that will result in some kind of call for artwork, because that’s a sculpture park.  At the very least, it could involve other things, too.

JJ: Okay.  Is that something that has already been budgeted?

MZ: Yes, they have CDBG money.

JJ: Oh.  How much, do you know?

MZ: $40,000.  And more money will need to be raised, because the ultimate cost for doing what they have in mind will involve…. so I’m sure they’re going after additional grants and so forth for that.

JJ: Who’s planning that?

MZ: That’s a commission project and Greg Wilson is chairing that committee.

JJ: Okay.  I just was wondering, how many of the commission members are full-time residents of the City of Newburgh?

MZ: The ordinance for the commission… this is a guess… I think the ordinance requires two thirds, and Stuart would know for sure.

JJ: Okay.

MZ: But it is definitely within the ordinance.

JJ: Okay.  Two thirds have to be city residents?

MZ: Except, when I say to you two thirds, I’m not sure that’s the number.

JJ: Okay.

MZ: I’m guessing.  That seems to me an approximation.  You can read it in the ordinance.  And I know that they meet that.   At the moment, I can’t think of anyone in there, except perhaps Garin, who is not a city resident… So essentially, it’s very representative, as it’s meant to be, of Newburgh.